Comments on: Welche Delphi Version wird am meisten eingesetzt? http://www.monien.net/blog/index.php/2009/07/welche-delphi-version-wird-am-meisten-eingesetzt/ Delphi Programming, .NET Philosophy, Web development and more ... Thu, 02 Sep 2010 13:36:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: sgingter http://www.monien.net/blog/index.php/2009/07/welche-delphi-version-wird-am-meisten-eingesetzt/comment-page-1/#comment-680 sgingter Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:52:05 +0000 http://www.monien.net/blog/?p=265#comment-680 Hrm. Actually another message one could think of is: "Delphi (even an update) is too expensive to upgrade on a regular basis."<br><br>A Delphi Prof. update is 400€ per seat. Also there is a migration effort to be done and over all training costs are necessary sometimes. Upgrading simply is too expensive for my customer that has the D7 projects out there. Upgrading roughly 20 seats, upgrading all used components (if there are upgrades for 2k9), training the developers and migrating the applications is approximately an investment of 30.000€ (20k in licences + one or two weeks of training). But then 20+ developers are busy for at least another one or two weeks just migrating the current projects. This have to be counted in additionally.<br><br>If this upgrade will make the team more efficient that an investment of this size will pay out after a year or so is questionable. Let alone the current economy problems.<br><br>I can fully understand all people not upgrading. I doubt I will buy weaver. The things that pay my bills are D7 and Prism. In this order ;-) Hrm. Actually another message one could think of is: “Delphi (even an update) is too expensive to upgrade on a regular basis.”

A Delphi Prof. update is 400€ per seat. Also there is a migration effort to be done and over all training costs are necessary sometimes. Upgrading simply is too expensive for my customer that has the D7 projects out there. Upgrading roughly 20 seats, upgrading all used components (if there are upgrades for 2k9), training the developers and migrating the applications is approximately an investment of 30.000€ (20k in licences + one or two weeks of training). But then 20+ developers are busy for at least another one or two weeks just migrating the current projects. This have to be counted in additionally.

If this upgrade will make the team more efficient that an investment of this size will pay out after a year or so is questionable. Let alone the current economy problems.

I can fully understand all people not upgrading. I doubt I will buy weaver. The things that pay my bills are D7 and Prism. In this order ;-)

]]> By: Olaf Monien http://www.monien.net/blog/index.php/2009/07/welche-delphi-version-wird-am-meisten-eingesetzt/comment-page-1/#comment-679 Olaf Monien Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:13:16 +0000 http://www.monien.net/blog/?p=265#comment-679 So the conclusion is that Delphi 7 is the Delphi version you are still using most. We are not looking for the /reasons/ though why you don't use any newer Delphi version. That might be something to be researched later.<br><br>We are not comparing Delphi Prism against C# or VB.Net here. We only want to know if there are any dev shops working on .NET projects with Delphi Prism for more than 50% of their time. Again, we are not looking for /reasons/ why one chose C# over Prism or vice versa.<br><br>The current (non representative) result is, that D2007 is used as the main dev tool by 40% of all who voted. D2009 has a rate of 20%, which is not too bad, but after one year surprisingly less. If that trend should be manifested later, then I think this would be an important message for Delphi's product management: "A release cycle of one year is too short"<br><br><br>--<br>Grüße / Regards,<br> Olaf Monien<br>---------------------------<br>EDV-Beratung Monien<br>CodeGear Technology Partner<br><br><a href="mailto:olaf@monien.net" rel="nofollow">olaf@monien.net</a><br><a href="http://www.monien.net/blog" rel="nofollow">www.monien.net/blog</a><br><a href="http://www.DelphiExperts.net" rel="nofollow">www.DelphiExperts.net</a><br>--------------------------- So the conclusion is that Delphi 7 is the Delphi version you are still using most. We are not looking for the /reasons/ though why you don't use any newer Delphi version. That might be something to be researched later.

We are not comparing Delphi Prism against C# or VB.Net here. We only want to know if there are any dev shops working on .NET projects with Delphi Prism for more than 50% of their time. Again, we are not looking for /reasons/ why one chose C# over Prism or vice versa.

The current (non representative) result is, that D2007 is used as the main dev tool by 40% of all who voted. D2009 has a rate of 20%, which is not too bad, but after one year surprisingly less. If that trend should be manifested later, then I think this would be an important message for Delphi's product management: “A release cycle of one year is too short”

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]]> By: sgingter http://www.monien.net/blog/index.php/2009/07/welche-delphi-version-wird-am-meisten-eingesetzt/comment-page-1/#comment-678 sgingter Wed, 29 Jul 2009 16:58:49 +0000 http://www.monien.net/blog/?p=265#comment-678 Ey, come on ;-)<br>I'm using Prism mainly for my own work and some customer's projects and Delphi 7 when I work for a certain customer on his projects. After that, that is what I do most. So I'd love to chose Prism, but when looking at the amount of work I have to choose D7.<br><br>Why is Prism as another technology (native vs. .Net) listed here anyway? There should be another poll where delphians can select if they use Prism over C# / VB.Net / F# / IronWhatsoever .Net languages. Ey, come on ;-)
I'm using Prism mainly for my own work and some customer's projects and Delphi 7 when I work for a certain customer on his projects. After that, that is what I do most. So I'd love to chose Prism, but when looking at the amount of work I have to choose D7.

Why is Prism as another technology (native vs. .Net) listed here anyway? There should be another poll where delphians can select if they use Prism over C# / VB.Net / F# / IronWhatsoever .Net languages.

]]> By: Olaf Monien http://www.monien.net/blog/index.php/2009/07/welche-delphi-version-wird-am-meisten-eingesetzt/comment-page-1/#comment-677 Olaf Monien Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:23:14 +0000 http://www.monien.net/blog/?p=265#comment-677 Thanks, updated!<br><br><br>--<br>Grüße / Regards,<br> Olaf Monien<br>---------------------------<br>EDV-Beratung Monien<br>CodeGear Technology Partner<br><br><a href="mailto:olaf@monien.net" rel="nofollow">olaf@monien.net</a><br><a href="http://www.monien.net/blog" rel="nofollow">www.monien.net/blog</a><br><a href="http://www.DelphiExperts.net" rel="nofollow">www.DelphiExperts.net</a><br>--------------------------- Thanks, updated!

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]]> By: djuro http://www.monien.net/blog/index.php/2009/07/welche-delphi-version-wird-am-meisten-eingesetzt/comment-page-1/#comment-676 djuro Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:16:42 +0000 http://www.monien.net/blog/?p=265#comment-676 change URL in text. (Umfragesystem wie es von <a href="http://www.polldady.com" rel="nofollow">www.polldady.com</a> )<br>not <a href="http://www.polldady.com" rel="nofollow">www.polldady.com</a> then <a href="http://www.Polldaddy.com" rel="nofollow">www.Polldaddy.com</a> change URL in text. (Umfragesystem wie es von http://www.polldady.com )
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